Re: Re: NNTP(S) via Thunderbird
By: Gamgee to Mindsurfer on Sun Nov 02 2025 16:06:36

Any other Newsgroup Reader out there beside Thunderbird?

I have always preferred 'Pan'.

looks really decent. But in the short time i have tested Pan, i could not make it show the actual message but the headers only.

Mindsurfer

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Re: Re: NNTP(S) via Thunderbird
By: Gamgee to Mindsurfer on Sun Nov 02 2025 16:06:36

Any other Newsgroup Reader out there beside Thunderbird?

I have always preferred 'Pan'.

looks really decent. But in the short time i have tested Pan, i could
not make it show the actual message but the headers only.

Well, have you tried looking at the "View" section in the top toolbar?

I mean....



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Re: Re: NNTP(S) via Thunderbi
By: Gamgee to Mindsurfer on Sun Nov 02 2025 19:43:43

Any other Newsgroup Reader out there beside Thunderbird?

I have always preferred 'Pan'.

looks really decent. But in the short time i have tested Pan, i could not
make it show the actual message but the headers only.

Well, have you tried looking at the "View" section in the top toolbar?
I mean....

I have installed Pan once again to check if i missed a setting and what can i say. It does show the body now. No idea what was wrong before or if it takes some time to load the body for each message after the headers. i don't know.

Mindsurfer

PS: is there a way to make Newsreaders (Pan) show color Ansi?

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Re: Re: NNTP(S) via Thunderbird
By: Accession to Stephan Gebbers on Sun Nov 02 2025 20:25:17

i made some funky test posts using Thunderbird and Pan on FSXNet.

Here's a post using slrn, which shells out to nano when I post or reply.

The "From" field includes an email in one post and the "To" field contains
the "newsgroup area tag" etc. It is Usenet that has to fit into FTNs.

Ok, thats interesting. i might send out some more tests and watch how the actual message looks outside the Newsreader, in the BBS.

I'm not sure why Thunderbird put the newsgroup area tag in the "To" field, but that can probably be changed in your Thunderbird settings. Out of both posts that came through, neither of them show your email in the "From" field, so either Synchronet or clrghaus probably removed that for you.

One of the main things that bothers me about NNTP is by default all of your posts will be "To: All" unless you are able to force the "x-comment-to" field, which is doable in slrn as you can see this message is to you. It's also doable with Thunderbird with some messing with the config, but it's ugly.

I accidently messed up an smtp server setting in Thunderbird while testing around with the newsgroups yesterday. Took me a while to add that SMTP again and to find out that i have an application password for that Email provider different from the providers website login =) LOL

still thinking about if i want to test slrn. Not sure if i want another TUI interface for reading/posting messages.

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On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 23:03:46 -0600, "MRO" (VERT/BBSESINF) wrote:

i made some funky test posts using Thunderbird and Pan on FSXNet. The "From" field includes an email in one post

your from field contains an entire email?

sending this from Pan Newsreader as a test.

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Hey Mindsurfer!

On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 17:33:00 +0000, you wrote:

PS: is there a way to make Newsreaders (Pan) show color Ansi?

Short answer, no.

Non-colored ansi (ascii) can be viewed in any newsreader that supports the CP437 charset. I'm not sure about Pan, but Claws Mail does, and Thunderbird does not. However, as soon as color is added, no newsreader that I've tried knows what an ANSI is. ;)

Regards,
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Hey Mindsurfer!

On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 17:42:00 +0000, you wrote:

Ok, thats interesting. i might send out some more tests and watch how
the actual message looks outside the Newsreader, in the BBS.

Sure, that's a good way of testing.

I accidently messed up an smtp server setting in Thunderbird while
testing around with the newsgroups yesterday. Took me a while to add
that SMTP again and to find out that i have an application password for
that Email provider different from the providers website login =) LOL

Whoops!

still thinking about if i want to test slrn. Not sure if i want another
TUI interface for reading/posting messages.

What TUI interfaces do you already have?

Here is some screenshots of how it could look. Obviously, you can make it look however you want:

https://www.slrn.org/screenshots.html https://screenshots.debian.net/package/slrn

If you do decide to try it, get it from here and compile it yourself:

https://github.com/jedsoft/slrn

Regards,
Nick

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Hey Mindsurfer!

On Mon, 03 Nov 2025 22:19:00 +0000, you wrote:

On Sun, 2 Nov 2025 23:03:46 -0600, "MRO" (VERT/BBSESINF) wrote:

i made some funky test posts using Thunderbird and Pan on FSXNet.
The "From" field includes an email in one post

your from field contains an entire email?

sending this from Pan Newsreader as a test.

Mindsurfer
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Looked good from this angle. ;)

Regards,
Nick

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Mindsurfer wrote to Gamgee <=-

I have always preferred 'Pan'.

looks really decent. But in the short time i have tested Pan, i could not
make it show the actual message but the headers only.

Well, have you tried looking at the "View" section in the top toolbar?
I mean....

I have installed Pan once again to check if i missed a setting and what can i say. It does show the body now. No idea what was wrong before or
if it takes some time to load the body for each message after the
headers. i don't know.

Okay.

PS: is there a way to make Newsreaders (Pan) show color Ansi?

I don't think so, and I hope not. It's a news (text) reader.




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Re: NNTP(S) via Thunderbi
By: Accession to Mindsurfer on Mon Nov 03 2025 16:56:20

PS: is there a way to make Newsreaders (Pan) show color Ansi?

Short answer, no.

Non-colored ansi (ascii) can be viewed in any newsreader that supports the CP437 charset. I'm not sure about Pan, but Claws Mail does, and Thunderbird does not. However, as soon as color is added, no newsreader that I've tried knows what an ANSI is. ;)

ignore my repeated ansi question in my other message ;)
yeah, i thought that could be problematic. You can't have it all. =)
Pan is configurable in regards to the fonts. monochrome cp437 chars should work there if you load the right font/ global codepage.

Mindsurfer

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Re: NNTP(S) via Thunderbi
By: Accession to Mindsurfer on Mon Nov 03 2025 17:03:28

still thinking about if i want to test slrn. Not sure if i want another TUI
interface for reading/posting messages.

What TUI interfaces do you already have?

well, sitting in my BBS reading/writing messages, or connecting to the LXC where the BBS resides via ssh terminal and doing stuff in the terminal or using midnight commander to move files around.
i just thought it could be nice to zoom out a bit of the 80x25 matrix every now and then and have a different interface for reading/writing messages =)
But it seems it is still the easiest and most convenient to just stay connected to you bbs the whole day and open the messages view when you feel like it ;)

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Mindsurfer wrote to Accession <=-

What TUI interfaces do you already have?

well, sitting in my BBS reading/writing messages, or connecting to the
LXC where the BBS resides via ssh terminal and doing stuff in the
terminal or using midnight commander to move files around. i just
thought it could be nice to zoom out a bit of the 80x25 matrix every
now and then and have a different interface for reading/writing
messages =) But it seems it is still the easiest and most convenient to just stay connected to you bbs the whole day and open the messages view when you feel like it ;)

I find it easier/better to login to the BBS a few times a day, and
download a QWK packet of messages to read/reply to in an offline mail
reader. I use MultiMail, which seems to be the modern/popular choice, available for several operating systems.



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Hey Mindsurfer!

On Tue, 04 Nov 2025 11:40:00 +0000, you wrote:

ignore my repeated ansi question in my other message ;)

I got to this one after the fact. ;)

yeah, i thought that could be problematic. You can't have it all. =)
Pan is configurable in regards to the fonts. monochrome cp437 chars
should work there if you load the right font/ global codepage.

Sure. I think most newsreaders (except Thunderbird) still support cp437. But in the case you want to try something else, DM added a feature for me to basically force translation to utf-8 on all messages with the "-utf8" option. This option makes those CP437 characters viewable in Thunderbird, too.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: NNTP(S) via Thunderbi
By: Gamgee to Mindsurfer on Tue Nov 04 2025 12:41:11

What TUI interfaces do you already have?

well, sitting in my BBS reading/writing messages, or connecting to the
LXC where the BBS resides via ssh terminal and doing stuff in the
terminal or using midnight commander to move files around. i just thought
it could be nice to zoom out a bit of the 80x25 matrix every now and then
and have a different interface for reading/writing messages =) But it
seems it is still the easiest and most convenient to just stay connected
to you bbs the whole day and open the messages view when you feel like it
;)

I find it easier/better to login to the BBS a few times a day, and download a QWK packet of messages to read/reply to in an offline mail reader. I use MultiMail, which seems to be the modern/popular choice, available for several operating systems.

Thats the other option. But you always have to login to download or upload the qwk file. There is no option for the qwk up/download to be directly managed between the QWK reader and the BBS account?

Mindsurfer

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Mindsurfer wrote to Gamgee <=-

I find it easier/better to login to the BBS a few times a day, and download a QWK packet of messages to read/reply to in an offline mail reader. I use MultiMail, which seems to be the modern/popular choice, available for several operating systems.

Thats the other option. But you always have to login to download or
upload the qwk file. There is no option for the qwk up/download to be directly managed between the QWK reader and the BBS account?

Correct, there is no option for that.



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Hey Mindsurfer!

On Wed, 05 Nov 2025 00:55:00 +0000, you wrote:

Thats the other option. But you always have to login to download or
upload the qwk file. There is no option for the qwk up/download to be directly managed between the QWK reader and the BBS account?

Not necessarily. I ended up making two bash scripts, one using 'wget' to download the QWK packet, and then another using 'ftp' to upload the REP packet.

I figure if I telnet in to the BBS, I may as well just stay there and read the messages (lol?). However, if I want to read messages outside of the BBS, I shouldn't need to login to it via telnet and go through the whole login process, just to download the QWK packet and logoff. ;)

To each their own, of course.

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Re: NNTP(S) via Thunderbi
By: Gamgee to Mindsurfer on Tue Nov 04 2025 08:09 pm

Thats the other option. But you always have to login to download or uploa
the qwk file. There is no option for the qwk up/download to be directly
managed between the QWK reader and the BBS account?

Correct, there is no option for that.

You can FTP to the BBS and download a magic name "BBS.QWK" to download your new messages, and upload BBS.REP to upload your packet (change BBS to the name your BBS gives to QWK packets).

It's pretty handy here, I don't know if a lot of sysops open FTP on their firewalls though.

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Re: Re: NNTP(S) via Thunderbi
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Gamgee on Tue Nov 04 2025 21:14:37

Thats the other option. But you always have to login to download or
uploa the qwk file. There is no option for the qwk up/download to be
directly managed between the QWK reader and the BBS account?

Correct, there is no option for that.

You can FTP to the BBS and download a magic name "BBS.QWK" to download your new messages, and upload BBS.REP to upload your packet (change BBS to the name your BBS gives to QWK packets).

It's pretty handy here, I don't know if a lot of sysops open FTP on their firewalls though.

Ok, thats nice. I guess that would be scriptable, so you can automate it a bit. Is it unencrypted FTP only or can you FTPS too?

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Re: Re: NNTP(S) via Thunderbi
By: Gamgee to Mindsurfer on Tue Nov 04 2025 08:09 pm

Thats the other option. But you always have to login to download or uploa
the qwk file. There is no option for the qwk up/download to be directly
managed between the QWK reader and the BBS account?

Correct, there is no option for that.

You can FTP to the BBS and download a magic name "BBS.QWK" to download your new messages, and upload BBS.REP to upload your packet (change BBS
to the name your BBS gives to QWK packets).

Not sure how that's any easier than logging in with Syncterm and just
getting the QWK packet the normal way, and then repeating for the .REP.
Seems harder, actually.

Regardless, that isn't even what he was asking about. He wanted to know
if the QWK *READER* (such as Multimail or SLMR) would manage/handle the getting/sending of QWK packets, and I answered him appropriately.

It's pretty handy here, I don't know if a lot of sysops open FTP on
their firewalls though.

I know that I absolutely would not.



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Mindsurfer wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Ok, thats nice. I guess that would be scriptable, so you can automate
it a bit. Is it unencrypted FTP only or can you FTPS too?

Not sure, I've never tried. I only FTP in from my local network.

I use the built-in command-line FTP client in windows, it takes a script
file.

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